Because I MUST be a Sadomasochist to read this crap..

What am I referring to?  This bunch of idiots.. the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.  That is of course their facebook page. They DO have a regular web page.   But I wade through the mass idiocy and lack of logic on their FB page on an almost daily basis. I don't post there for two reasons. 1. I've been blocked...though I can still read the page. 2.  Dissenting opinions are deleted. Especially those using actual hard numbers and facts.  Wouldn't want to interrupt the group think now would we?  I got blocked and had my comments deleted in a matter of hours. A reader of a page I co run on FB was deleted and blocked..IN 4 MINUTES  flat. My friend who started the page I co run with him..actually mostly me runs it at this point, though he does pop in from time to time; was blocked and deleted in about 20 minutes by these paragons of open mindedness.   There is a comment posted in the following, and he is the lone exception that I know of to the rule of not being deleted.
Any way...for instance...they take a Triple murder suicide like this and.....
"Another deadly mass shooting ... New Jersey supermarket employee leaves shift, returns to store with AK-47 and kills 2 co-workers and himself. The victims were 18-year-old Cristina LoBrutto and 24-year-old Bryan Breen. The gunman, Terence S. Tyler, was a 23-year-old former Marine."

Really? A triple murder-suicide is all the sudden considered a "mass shooting" now?  I don't think so, you deceitful dilletantes.  Words have meaning, and you twist them to suit your agenda. Bending the definition this way and that way until it means what you want it to mean, instead of what it actually  means.

mass a considerable assemblage, number or quantity.

considerable: rather large or great. as in size, distance, extent.   So you see....

You are not to be trusted. Because you LIE...and can be proven to LIE. 

Then there are the wastes of oxygen that believe as you do and espouse even more stupidity.

"Earl Rodier But the guns aren't killing people, people are....what a bunch of lies. When will people learn? Shooting after shooting after shooting with these assault weapons, and everyone stands around helpless against the current laws. When I was very young, I saw a bumper sticker that said the old adage, 'if guns where outlawed, only outlaws would have guns'. Don't take the rifles away from those who honestly use them for sport, but honestly the assault weapons need to go"

I would point out Earl that the Bow and Arrow were the Guns, the "assault weapons" of their day. They were the great equalizer because peasants could own them, this among other things, allowed them to throw the boots of the tyrants from their necks.  To live as Free Men...instead of slaves.  Lackluster lackwits like yourself would have left the peasants in servitude.

"Mark Walker To say I am sicked, depressed and damned near the point of saying "To the hell with it!" The gun lovers have us outnumbered and will win anyway is an understatement! I know that it us just that seeing yet another killing and seeing them almost everyday is really beginning to get to me. It seems we will never learn and the other side will just keep chanting that "Guns don't kill" mantra and blaming us for everything. Thanks for letting me get that rant off my chest. Back to the fight."

Guns in fact DON'T kill people. They are cold, inanimate objects, with no will of their own. No brain...of their own.  It takes a thinking, warm blooded HUMAN to load them and pull their triggers.  A gun is a tool and that's all it is.   Oh and Mark?  I don't blame you. You're just a sheep, being led to the slaughter. I blame the rustlers using the sound of gun fire to terrify you into their slaughterhouses.  On second thought...yes I do blame you Mark...because unlike the 4 legged sheep, YOU have higher brain functions that are supposed to allow you to think for yourself. 



"Nana M. Haneda We do need tougher gun laws & need to have a roster & license of everyone who owns a gun in a database so as to be able to track the owner & owner's of gun shop need to be held accountable for whom they sell their armory to , then & only then maybe these mass shooting would not occur."


Yes Nana, they would occur because as we have tried to tell you...criminals are criminals because they don't obey the law. never have, never will. THAT is why we call them CRIMINALS!   Oh and having a national register will allow for a tyrannical government to more easily round up the guns that those of us who believe in freedom, would use to defend our families, our homes and ourselves.

"Susan Martha not again! we need to stop this madness. why do the gunnies have all the rights .... do i not have the right to live in a country where i do not have to fear being mowed down by some psycho with a gun?"


Fine you uneducated, over emotional fool. Move to someplace like Rwanda instead. Where the greatest Mass Murder in recent history was perpetrated over the course of 100 days...with machetes!  Over 800,000 people hacked to death. Going to ban knives now? 

The following comment is only PART of a long comment made by this lady..
"Catherine Conroy Joshua, I will respond to insurrectionists with my patriotic wish to defend my country if the need should ever arise. These people who spread their hateful, bigoted speech against fellow Americans are unpatriotic nuts, and I've never invited anyone to "bring it on"--only said I would fight if they ever tried to attack our nation over gun control laws that have already existed in the past and might again"


So because people, a great many of us actually...are acting on our first amendment rights to point out that our government is turning more and more tyrannical over time.  That we may in the end be forced by circumstances to do something we'd by and large, like to avoid doing.....we're hateful, bigoted unpatriotic nuts?    Sigh...Do you remember the opening of the Declaration of Independence, Cathy?  Here let me refresh your memory....
"WHEN in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government."


Oh and did I mention boys and girls that there are those on CSGV who support the second amendment...with  a few provisos that are just as....wrong, in the way they state things regarding the 2nd Amendment and "Gun violence"?

The following is an opening sentence of just ONE of the comments made by this Gentlemen...who I've gone back and forth with on twitter before.  Gone back and forth and discussed pretty cordially I might add.  So I was a bit shocked to see the following statement leave his keyboard....
"Joshua Flashman Catherine,

I don't blame you for being angry. Gun violence is an absolute epidemic in this country."


Soooo...it's an epidemic now Joshua?   No it's not, far from it in point of fact.  Hell Brazil leads us in Murder alone by a factor of 5.   They are running right around 50,000 murders per year in that country.  2011...they set a new record of over 52,000 of them.  Now how many of those were gun related I don't know...don't really care either.  But for comparison in 2010 we had 14,700 murders, of which around 10,000 of them were homicide using a gun.. At a time when the Census tells us the Population was 308,746,000 million.  BTW...the murder rate hadn't been that low since 1969, when there were 14,762 murders, and with one third less the population!  Dirty little secret...the murder rate for the last 20yrs has been slowly dropping.  But you will not hear that from the Gun Control lobby.  From the federal justice agencies, from the main stream media outlets...
See...they FEED on the blood.  They thrive on it.  It allows them to use FEAR to control the people. To stampede the people into doing something they wouldn't do, IF they were thinking critically and rationally.  To give up their rights to free speech and self defense.....because without the 2nd...the 1st wouldn't be possible.   Honestly I don't know what people find so hard to grok about such a stupid simple concept.  It drives me nuts.   I could go on but, I think I'll just link you to the two recent posts I did on Murder.

 Murder annnnnddd...Murder Part 2.



edit: 530 pm 9/3/12*facepalm*  Oh man I love this comment just posted a few hours ago on this post on CSGV:Craig Hexham ‎@Sarah M. Hench, thank you for the few words of caring on this very lengthy thread. However, while I agree that there are people who may be grieving and/or enraged about this ongoing violence, there should be very few who are shocked. I certainly am not and anyone who is attentive to such matters is not shocked by what has become commonplace and even expected. Until WMD are removed from citizen access, this will continue and informed people should continue to expect such occurrences. If there is shock, it should be that people in this country care so little for their peers.

Okay so firearms are Weapons of Mass Destruction, now? 

The anti gun lobby and anti gun supporters says stupid shit like this, calls us gun owners "terrorists who should be rounded up" and WE'RE the unreasonable ones?  WTF?   God how I despise these hypocritical asshats.

Now...if you add in suicides by firearm and accidental discharges that result in death...the latter of which there are less than a thousand a year...then the number of  "death by gun" is around 25-28,000.   It's STILL insignificant when you consider the SIZE of the population of the United States of America. In a nation of, as of now, over 310 million; of which 250 million or a quarter of a billion people are adults over the age of 19?  the death rate involving guns is infinitesimal.   In point of fact the percentage of population killed by firearms each year is .009%  Do you understand that number?  That's 9 thousandths of one percent of the population!  Waaay less than one percent.  WHY are we as a nation...nooo strike that, why are YOU as a free people, allowing  a VERY small number of other people who want to control you, to use your fear, your...irrational fear...to do just that?   It boggles the mind.

I wade through that kind of  aforementioned abject stupidity, nearly every day.  I really must be a closet masochist to endure that stupidity willingly. *headshake*

TANSTAAFL and....
I now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity.