Ladies and Gents

Welcome to where we are almost damn near or are already at ourselves...
*presented without any further comment*

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4764841/Why-work.html

Need your pain meds refilled? Nope, sorry.

Now while the FDA hasn't adopted what I'm about to explain to you...they probably will. Their what...30  person advisory council voted 19-10 FOR.

What did they vote for?  Perpend..
"The panel voted 19-10 in favor of the recommendation, which the FDA will likely follow. The recommendation would limit access to the drugs by making them harder to prescribe.
The recommendation would subject Vicodin and dozens of other medicines to the same restrictions as other narcotic drugs, such as oxycodone and morphine. Indeed, hydrocodone belongs to a family of drugs known as opioids, which include morphine, heroin, oxycodone, codeine and methadone.
The change would have sweeping consequences for doctors, pharmacists and patients. Under the proposed rules, refills without a new prescription would be forbidden, as would faxed prescriptions and those called in by phone"


So...lets take a look at this shall we?  In order  "to stem the scourge of prescription-drug abuse in the United States"  They are going to make it so, instead of calling into your doctors office for a prescription that they've almost certainly given you in the past for a condition that's probably chronic or intermittently so...you will as per this law
1. Call your doctors office and ask to speak your doctor WHO...is going to have to step away from a patient consult IN the office, to talk to you.  You can then tell  him what is wrong and he will either say make an appointment or come on in, I'll leave you a prescription at the front desk.  
 

Now...if it's the former hypothetical in choice number one...you now have to make an appointment, which depending on the time of day  you call is probably  not going to be until sometime the following day. You have to wait that minimum of 16-24hrs, drive the 20 minutes minimum [for most people are a minimum of that from their GP's office I have a lead foot , little regard for most of my fellow man, and a toll road nearby as a short cut so I can generally do the run to mine in about 12-15 minutes]  to your doctors office, wait probably half an hour or more to get in to see the doctor, 5 minutes getting weighed and shown to the exam room. 5 having your blood pressure taken and telling the nurse what the problem is, another 8 minutes minimum waiting time in the exam room  before the doctor finishes with the previous patient, 10-15 minutes for the consult, 4 minutes while he writes you a script annotates your file and hands you the prescription and the bill. 5 minutes minimum to pay for your visit, then you get to walk back out to your vehicle...drive all the way back over towards your house to go to your regular pharmacy...which is almost invariably less than 5 minutes drive time from your front door.  Anywhere between 2-10 minutes to give the pharmacist your new script. Another 15 minutes minimum while the pharmacist fills the script, a wait that varies anywhere from 5-15 minutes depending on how many people are in line in front of you to pick up and pay for scripts.  Then you have the drive home, get in the door and you can FINALLY take the fucking pill you SHOULD have had access to YESTERDAY! or assuming the low end of the variable numbers I mentioned 18 fucking hours! Meanwhile you are in agonizing pain.

Now if you've got a good doctor and you're not one of the deceitful asshats that the government is so afraid of... 20 minutes to the office, 5 to get the script, 20 to drive back near your house to your pharmacy and the rest of those afformentioned numbers for a total of 80 minutes or an hour and 20. Me..So long as I'm not so doubled over with agonizing pain...I can live with that over the first one.

Now for the PHARMACIES...oh my..
"pharmacists and distributors would be required to store the drugs in special vaults"

Yes the ever popular "special" vaults, safes etc. Yep can't be just any old safe I'll bet, but one that has to be APPROVED of by the government for the purpose. which the thieves if they're of a mind can just carry out, load in a truck and haul it off where they can crack it at their leisure.  *headdesk*

We won't even get into how this is going to affect the elderly and the home bound/bed ridden folks because that should be self evident. Even if you're a "the government can do no wrong", "it's for the children" imbecilic half wit. 
*picture a smiling male game show host and his equally smiley announcer*
"Well lets see what the elderly and terminally ill bedridden set and their families get John!"

"Well Charles, for the Old folks and the terminally ill we have the doctors who will cover their ass and refuse to fill scripts and the old folks can scream in agony for days before being seen, or dying!  Yes and you the impotent family members get to watch!  Oh Yes Charles this is truly a trifecta of agony, impotence and incoherent rage for our lucky winners!  It sucks to be you...thanks for playing"

By the way...they already have restrictions on Oxycontin...guess what?  It didn't stem the tide of abuse.

"At a two-day hearing at FDA headquarters in Silver Spring, Md., many speakers opposed the change, including advocates for nursing-home patients, who said older, frail residents needing pain medication would now be required to make the arduous trip to a doctor’s office to continue using hydrocodone products. Other experts questioned how effective the change would be. Oxycodone, another much-abused painkiller and the active ingredient in OxyContin, has been in the more restrictive category since it came on the market, but the limited access does not seem to have stemmed abuse, they said."


Welcome to everyone's favorite game. Where faceless, brainless incompetent, bureaucratic, quivering piles of fecal matter, get to decide what's best for you.   Despite having the inability to find their own asses in the dark, with athe aid of a guide carrying a  million candle power flashlight, and their own hands in their back fucking pockets!

IOW no more calling the doctors office or the pharmacy to have a prescription called in or faxed in, even if it's a refill...to the pharmacy.

Here's the link


Remember TANSTAAFL and..
I now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity.

A statement from Dianne Feinstein..

"Put simply, we cannot allow the rights of a few to override the safety of all. That is not the America that our founding fathers envisioned. And that is not the America I want my children and grandchildren to live in."

Dianne Feinstein, Congressional Record for 1/24/2013 page S291



My response?

Note to Whinestine and her friends..

Wow. Really? Why you lying, despotic, pernicious harridan! The Rights enumerated in the Constitution are not GRANTED by the Constitution , they are PROTECTED by the Constitution. Oh and they aren't the Rights of a FEW, you imbecilic goat faced harpy! They are the Rights of EVERY American to exercise, or not as they see fit!
They are not for the likes of you, you hair covered, puss filled boil on a gorillas backside, to infringe, encroach, contravene or otherwise place limits upon; you odiferous, gaseous excretion from a cows anal sphincter. Be gone you spawn of the unclean coupling of a camel and a disease ridden whore who would dally with whatever beast crossed her path. Go back to the refuse pit you were birthed in. Leave us and plague us with your foul mouthings no more.

Feinstein's gun grab..

Just a snippet from an article..

"The ban would target an estimated 158 specific weapons. The prohibition would also apply to other semiautomatic weapons with certain features, such as compatibility with detachable, large-capacity magazines. Under the measure, it also would be illegal to make, import or sell magazines that can accept more than 10 rounds."

So any gun that accepts a more than 10 round magazine is going to be outlawed under this bill?  That's pretty much ALL, semi automatic weapons period dot. 

Now here's what the law SAYS it does and bans...

And under rifles it lists one I really, really want.

Assault Weapons Ban of 2013

Mass shootings in Newtown, Aurora, and Tucson have demonstrated all too clearly the need to regulate military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines. These weapons allow a gunman to fire a large number of rounds quickly and without having to reload.

What the bill does:

The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:

• All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
• All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
• All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
• All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
• All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
• 157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this page).

The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

• Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
• Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
• Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
• Antique weapons.

The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:

• The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.

The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:

• Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
• The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.
• Banning dangerous aftermarket modifications and workarounds.
• Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
• So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a workaround to prohibitions on detachable magazines.
• Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a workaround to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.
• Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
• Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.

The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines currently in existence by:

• Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault weapon.
• This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.
• Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.
• Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
• Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.
• Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices manufactured after the date of the bill’s enactment be engraved with the serial number and date of manufacture of the weapon

Assault weapon bans have been proven to be effective

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was effective at reducing crime and getting these military-style weapons off our streets. Since the ban expired, more than 350 people have been killed and more than 450 injured by these weapons.

• A Justice Department study of the assault weapons ban found that it was responsible for a 6.7% decrease in total gun murders, holding all other factors equal.
• Source: Jeffrey A. Roth & Christopher S. Koper, “Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994,” (March 1997).
• The same study also found that “Assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as victims.”
• The use of assault weapons in crime declined by more than two-thirds by about nine years after 1994 Assault Weapons Ban took effect.
• Source: Christopher S. Koper, “An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003” (June 2004), University of Pennsylvania, Report to the National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice.
• The percentage of firearms seized by police in Virginia that had high-capacity magazines dropped significantly during the ban. That figure has doubled since the ban expired.
• Source: David S. Fallis and James V. Grimaldi, “In Virginia, high-yield clip seizures rise,” Washington Post, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/22/AR2011012204046.html
• When Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity magazines in 1994, it led to a 55% drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore Police Department.
• Source: Douglas S. Weil & Rebecca C. Knox, Letter to the Editor, The Maryland Ban on the Sale of Assault Pistols and High-Capacity Magazines: Estimating the Impact in Baltimore, 87 Am. J. of Public Health 2, Feb. 1997.
• 37% of police departments reported seeing a noticeable increase in criminals’ use of assault weapons since the 1994 federal ban expired.
• Source: Police Executive Research Forum, Guns and Crime: Breaking New Ground by Focusing on the Local Impact (May 2010).  

List of firearms prohibited by name

Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.
Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.
Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB


There are so many fallacies in this whole thing I don't know where to start.

You wanna tear it the hell apart...go for it.  Me?  I'm going to get get some grub.

Remember TANSTAAFL and...
I now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity.

Security Theatre. School Kids version.

Or to be more precise the "Oh my god we must have guns that we don't want people to have, so we can protect the kids. It's for the children"


Security Theatre

Ha ha ha ha ha....................*facepalm*.  

You don't even have to read past the first paragraph..

"Superintendent Cali Olsen-Binks approved the acquisition of the rifles, which are being stored on campuses in locked safes for responding police officers in the event of an attack."

Oh good so 20 fucking minutes  after the shooting starts, when they finally show up...the cops will have access to a semi automatic rifle. One that they probably won't need,  because at the first sign of resistance the person they were going to use it on will blow their own brains all over the goddamn wall instead of being taken alive?   Oh yes...I feel ohhhh so much better now!

Or the same thing applies if the School District cops show up...and depending on the size of the district that's also gonna take time.  You really don't want to know how many schools and how many miles the patrols have to go in the school district I live in to cover it. Plus some of them are just mean spirited dickless wonders on a power trip. A number of people I know have had run ins with some of the more wonderful examples of the microdicked subset of  school district officers in my school district


“It’s unfortunate that we have to have that, but it’s the best message we can send to anybody that thinks to harm our children,” said Jones. “Because the message we’re sending is…not here, not now, we’re prepared for you. And if you seek to harm our children, we will neutralize that threat and you will most likely be killed" 

Yes you ignorant ass...as already pointed out...probably at their own hands.  The idiot is as delusional as the all the mentally unstable shooters have been. *headshake*

"School board member Sophia Green, however, doesn’t believe schools will be safer if weapons are kept inside.
“If a person who has the intention of coming on campus to kill… knows we have the AR-15s…they might come with something even bigger or better. They will come prepared,” she said"

Or even better they'll simply shoot people until someone opens the damn gun safe. Or if they just store them in a sheet metal box...shoot the lock off....

“Children aren’t born with a gun in their hand and vengeance in their mind. They aren’t necessarily going to grow into being a killer. We, as a society, need to address why children are growing up to commit these acts as teens and adults. I don’t see how adding more weapons on a campus is addressing that,” Conklin said."

We already have mentioned why this is so...the lack of mental healthcare facilities. We'll just have to wait and see what's done about it.


So...we're going with what is or will end up being security theatre, just like to TSA so these people can feel like they are doing something useful.

Remember TANSTAAFL and
I now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity.

Antigun movement, education and hysteria..

I've been saying for a long time that many of the most rabidly anti gun are hysterical fools!  The rest are just uneducated or brainwashed by the Progressive Propaganda Ministry...it's not really their fault.
I've also been saying that in our education system, a great many of the educators and administrators are too stupid to breathe on their own, let alone be trusted with our children's education and welfare.

Fucking Seriously?

Yep...she's 5 she understands everything and is quite capable of understanding what a terroristic threat is.  Yep...that pink plastic Hello Kitty BUBBLE BLOWING gun is a full on assault weapon.  So yep both it and she are dangerous. The gun should be destroyed and the kid should be locked up for life as a terrorist.   Are you people out of your minds?  Oh. Wait.  I forgot....YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A MIND TO FUCKING LOSE IT!  Stupid, hysterical, goosestepping, ass kissing, lick spittles.  Wait...what's that smell? Ewwww...it's you!  Now I need to scrape you off the bottom of my shoe and cleanse the soles of my boots in bleach.  Pretentious, overbearing, over paid piles of camel dung.



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Deep breathes wolfie, deep breathes.    

They just prove my point for me....again.  This isn't the only incident like this in the last week or so...
most famously..

Bang Bang...

As I'm sitting here typing this I'm getting madder and madder.  So...let me finish this by saying..

If I were the parents of these poor kids....I'd be having to sit VERY hard on the urge to put my fist...THROUGH the faces of these wastes of oxygen and resources.  Just to prove that their skulls are as empty as I believe them to be
*snarl*


Remember...TANSTAAFL and
I now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity

If you don't think they want all your guns...

THEN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION! Or did you miss what happened in the State of New York?
1.Lets see they rammed through a restrictions bill in the middle of the night behind closed doors.

2. the Journal News put up an interactive map up on their website with the names and addresses of every permit holder in two counties…

3.. since last week 2 of those homes have been broken into. One just yesterday. The breakers cracked 2 safes and walked off with a 3rd, all of the guns in those safes AND the permit paperwork for them. You really don’t want to know what I think should be done about that one.

Then there's the following....
4. That useless idiot of a Governor in Maryland is talking about trying to pass similar if not even more stringent laws in Maryland

5.Diana Feinstein that shrill dictatorial ‘do as I say, not as I do” shrew from California will be proposing what everyone who has leaked it or read it, has said is downright nasty and won’t just ban weapons to be sold yet but will also all those already legally out there., along with restrictions on magazines that hold 10 or more for any weapon.
That one passes and starts being enforced you can expect the dying to start.

6. What part of “shall not be infringed” do people not grok? I mean seriously? The point of the 2nd amendment was never about hunting. If you didn’t hunt back then you didn’t eat. It was never about sportsmanship..they didn’t DO competitions like we do now. Private individuals owned everything from pistols to cannons.  Our forefathers had just fought a mother fucking WAR to get out from under the heels of a Tyrannical king on the other side of the goddamn world and you don't think they figured it might happen again on our shores?  If this is the case, then YOU Sir[pronounced with a sneer so it comes out CUR] are dumber than I thought.

7. As for the asinine argument that some are bringing up in this debate that our forefathers couldn’t possibly have imagined the weapons we have today that fire rounds rapid fire singly or on full automatic?
Horseshit. the first gatling gun was invented and used in 1861.Less than 90 years after the passage of our constitution. One of our founding fathers Ben Franklin was an inventor and tinkerer and if you don’t think he didn’t see the advent of multishot weapons….*headshake*

 Here's a few examples of the multibarrel, multi round guns available in our founding fathers time..
The Nock Gun…a 7 barrel smooth bore musket invented in 1779.
The Pepperpot…a multibarrel pistol invented in the frelling 15th century.  Generally a 4 shot.
Many derringers or pocket pistols were multiple barrel in many cases, between 2-4.

8. The 2nd amendment is about defense from a tyrannical, oppressive or corrupt government. Our federal government and some states are certainly embodying the last 2 and are rapidly approaching the 1st. Ensuring the citizens have weapons parity as much as possible. That’s why it says “the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” instead of the right of the militias. Don’t think a people can deal with a corrupt government if need be? Google The Battle of Athens, also called the McMinn County War.
The 2nd amendment is the only “gun permit” any of us need. The rest is unconstitutional bullshit. The only laws on the books for restrictions should be in the case of convicted felons not being allowed to own guns, and the option to make it a death penalty case if they use one in the commission of a crime. Whether anyone is actually harmed with that weapon or not.

We won't even get into what he's trying to do by intertwining this with medical care That one is a whole article on it's own.


Remember, TANSTAAFL and....
I now return you to  your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity.

I HATE media hypocrites!

 How many of you heard of the Journal News up in New York doing a story on the Gun Owners in 2 counties and putting up an interactive map with the addresses of all those permit holders?

Now in a move that was highly hypocritical, after some bloggers retaliated and provided a complete list of every reporter, editor etc who works at the paper. a list of THEIR names and addresses.

Those chickenshits went out and hired ARMED security.
hypocritical shitbags


A home that was on that interactive map provided by the JN was broken into last week. No guns were stolen.

However....
http://newyork.newsday.com/westchester/journal-news-map-listed-guns-permits-stolen-from-new-city-home-cops-say-1.4463741


This second house was just burgled and they did get the guns...AND their permits.

There needs to be A lawsuit filed, with an immediate cease and desist order...although the damage has already been done now.  The criminals probably have a written list of all those homes now.  Sue the Journal News, it's employees, and it's corporate office...the company that owns the JN, for every fucking dime they've got. 

If any harm is done with those guns then frankly...the Journal News is culpable. 

I'd suggest stringing every one of those yellow bastards and bitches that works there from the nearest light poles as an object lesson.

Ahhh Whiskey!

I like a drop of the good stuff every once in a blue moon. though by choice as I've aged I actually prefer a good brew. 
  Jameson?  Sign me up dude?  Now if you do the conversion 2500 euros comes to about 3400 USD.  But for a bottle that's 100+ years old?  Oh my.   Smooth probably doesn't even begin to cover it. Liquid heaven on the other hand....


Remember TANSTAAFL and..
I now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity.

Were they murdered or was it happenstance?

Okay I tend not to go in for conspiracy theories. At least I didn't used to but , there is indeed to quote the bard "something rotten in the State of Denmark". Kieth Ratliff, A well known you tuber, gun builder and supporter of the 2nd amendment..found shot dead of a single gunshot to the head, in his office on January 3rd. 2013.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/us/keith-ratliff-gun-enthusiast-of-fpsrussia-is-shot-to-death.html)
Surrounded by guns, but not the one that killed him and apparently no sign of a struggle or anything so it's suspected  he knew or at least trusted his attacker.  The very next day..John Noveske another known firearms builder/manufacturer and supporter of the 2nd amendment is killed in a car accident. Apparently his car drifted across the road to the opposite shoulder and rode it for very short bit before it smashed into a pair of boulders, ejecting him from his vehicle, and of course killing him.   8 days after he made the posting about psychiatric drugs and school mass shootings  to follow. copied and pasted for you to read. Even John in his original post of that admits he wasn't entirely sure exactly how accurate the info was but he found it interesting. 
Curiouser and Curiouser.

Here's the post:

Not sure about the facts here, I received this from a friend.

----John

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list…3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven’t heard about being on drugs of some kind

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John wasn't the only one to ask that question or make the connection. I've chatted with other people who say...ayup...the drugs would do it...either going on such drugs or most likely coming off them.

Curiouser and Curiouser, ain't it?

Folks there's an old saying. "Once is happenstance, twice is an accident and3 times is enemy action"

Me?  with everything going on in the US politically, financially...hell with all that's going on in the world period right now? I think I'm just gonna skip the 1st options and go ahead and assume #3

Remember TANSTAAFL and..
I now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity.  Keep your powder dry.

Okay just because I feel the need...

to make myself aggravated discussing this AGAIN.  Guns are not the problem...they are a tool.
Lets for shits and giggles look at Illinois and Texas.
Illinois 2011
Number of murders? 731. Total population? 12.8 million and change
435 of those murders happened in Chicago. With some of the strictest rules on the books...in effect a ban on private ownership on weapons.

Texas 2011.
Number of murders 1126,  Population? 25.6 million and change
 to break Texas down into some of it's component molecules..
Houston..198 murders.
San Antonio. 88.
Austin 27 [daaayyyyyuummmm!]
Dallas Fort Worth Metro plex. 98.  [50 in Dallas, 48 in Ft Worth.]

So...lets really break this down in two ways.
1st.  Despite a population of less than half  of Texas, Illinois managed to have a murder rate that is 65% the size of the murder rate in Texas. 
2nd or to put it another way...despite having a population of more than twice the size of Illinois, Texas murder rate was only 35% higher than Illinois.

Hell the entire STATE of Utah with a population of  2,.8 million and change only managed 54 murders in 2011.  which is only 110,000 more than the population of Chicago in 2011 at 2,.7 milloin and change.   So...with a population of a 110,000 LESS people than the State of Utah, The city of Chicago managed a murder rate that  is 8 TIMES higher than the entire STATE of Utah.   Or to put it another way...The murder rate of of Utah is only  12% of the murder rate in Chicago.  *jaw drop*

The mind boggles.  


Remember TANSTAAFL and...
I now return you to your regularly scheduled insanity and inanity.

Now THERE is a hell of a thought

In the middle of a discussion on a friends facebook page..I got pissed. No surprise there since your curly wolf is always on low boil.  We were discussing  history and religion.  One of my friends made a statement that I read [admittedly hastily] to suggest that I was among the unwashed masses of idiots who get their info from the idiot box[the TV] instead of actually having READ a great deal of history. I am most DEFINITELY not the latter so I took immediate umbrage.  I did manage to stomp on that immediate outburst of aggravation in my reply to my friend. 

I've made no secret about, have even bragged about, having studied more history in a short span of years about the time I hit my majority...than most people will read or understand in their entire lives.
Admittedly I was bragging a bit...but it is a true statement. I have read more history than your average person now a days...especially those that are younger than me.  I've also forgotten most of it for a reason. The reason being that even I could see those many moons ago, that we were at a crossroads...had in fact probably already chosen that fork and the fork we chose would only end in disaster, one way or another.  The history I'd read told me that. It depressed the ever loving hell out of me. I didn't want to think about it...didn't want to see it.

It is said that history is cyclical.  But why?  It hit me in the midst of that discussion. Human Nature.  When put together  in  large groups, largely uneducated and either taught not to, or unable to think critically [which I SWEAR, loudly and profanely, describes the generations behind me...especially the current youngest]  we are capable of  massive stupidity that is truly terrifying to behold.  Witness the latest election. Witness the last several election. Hell! Witness the last 20-50 YEARS and more. the Internment camps for  Japanese in America during WW2, and The New Deal just to name two specifics.  The creation of Social Security and it's expansion. The latter of which began the gradual destruction of the concept of planning for your future. Here...just give it to the government! Big Government will take care of this money for you and then we'll parse it out to you on a month to month basis when you become an old person and retire.    Does anyone that works for a living, and likes to truly make their own decisions and run their own lives and deal with any consequences, unintended or other wise, REALLY think this is a good idea?


Shit...just lost my train of thought. If it gets back on the rail and comes back I'll continue this.

Remember..TANSTAAFL and..
I now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity and insanity